3rd Party Conservatives-The Self-Righteous Guardians of the Right
I have made that choice based on that very last factor. I know what my ideal candidate would look like, but it is highly unlikely that I could carry my own neigborhood, let alone the national electorate.
We all have our own ideals which we would, were we dictator of the world, see instituted as law. I would make it mandatory for all free, law-abiding citizens to acquire, train in the use of, and carry openly, a firearm of sufficient caliber to defend themselves or their neighbors.
Such an idea would probably not sell very well in some areas of the nation where, unlike in the South, people have grown up in abject fear of firearms (and practically everything and everyone around them, like New York). Freedom does have its price, but apparently not everyone is willing to pay that price and I understand that.
Having stated that, I understand that some in this nation feel threatened by the possibility that their specific rights to keep and bear arms might be limited in some way or even assailed.
It doesn't particularly frighten me, because I will never yield my firearms to the government regardless of what they say. Why, because like the other many other rights which have not been enumerated in the Bill of Rights, the right to self-protection is a God given right and therefore the government has no right to take that from me which God has given me. So I don't fear my government...yet.
Now as to the subject of Rudy Giuliani and others who the self-appointed "Guardians of Light" (read Conservatism) are rebelling against, I only say that Rudy at his worst is better by several magnitudes than anyone the Left (Democrats) are offering up.
What follows is a portion of what one such self-righteous Guardian posted on the internet, on the website "Capitol Hill Coffee House" with a link to the entire article, followed by my e-mail in response.
When did Life, Liberty and Freedom Become an extreme Right-Wing Idea?
By JB Williams on (Oct 08, 07)
If the GOP isn’t a conservative party, there is no need for it…
So-called “right-wing conservatives” (the foundational base of the Republican Party) are prepared to grant Republican moderates who hijacked their party, their 2008 election wish.
You want a liberal? - We’ll give you one!
Almost every political pundit in America is asking if hard-headed “Christian conservatives” are really prepared to defect from their Republican Party in ’08 if they can’t get a conservative nominee from the RNC. But my question is; - when did respect for the “unalienable” right to Life, Liberty and Freedom, become an extreme right-wing ideal, held dear only by “Christian conservatives?”
Who told RINOs that Life, Liberty and Freedom are extreme ideas? Who told moderate Republicans that they belong to a secular socialist party? America already has a liberal party pushing secular socialist ideals in America. We don’t need two. Who is offering the nation a conservative alternative?
If not the Republican Party, then there is no need for the Republican Party.
And since when is the conservative “base” (foundation) of the Republican Party, just some “extreme wing” of the party?
Dear Mr. Williams,There is no greater threat to our nation and the interests of our citizens that those who appoint themselves the guardians of what is right for all. The standing effort by those such as James Dobson, Phyllis Schlafly, and Tim Lahaye, in seeking a third party candidate to oppose Rudy or Fred Thompson, or Mitt Romney, is an intentional act of sabotage. It is an effort to make things turn out so bad for the people that they will change direction and move to the Right as apparently happened in the 1980 election.
A simple question deserves a simple answer. When it becomes a threat to the good of the nation. When such blind adherence to principle endangers the American people. It is a simple case of the perfect being the enemy of the good. A simple and realistic view of life.
At what point does principled conservatism degenerate into self-righteous pig-headedness? It’s a simple question with a simple answer. When the so-called “principled conservative” is willing to let the nation be victimized by a Stalinist/Marxist government simply because that conservative” is not getting his or her way.
America has always survived and prospered under Republican guidance whether RINO or Conservative. Nixon, by your standards was a RINO; Ford, by your standards was a RINO. Problem is, Reagan by your standards was also a RINO. You disagree? Look at his record. He was pro-gay rights and even made the battle against HIV/AIDS a part of the national agenda. He claimed to be pro-life, but he named Sandra Day O’Connor to the Supreme Court as a nod to the feminists [are you saying that was a conservative action]-he could hardly have done worse by “conservative” standards, His other appointment, Arthur Kennedy has been adequate at best [George W. Bush by contrast is not a Conservative, rather he is a moderate, but at least his Supreme Court Appointments, as well as his lower court appointments have, virtually without exception, proven to be superb]. Reagan pulled our troops out of Lebanon 6 months after the Marine barracks was bombed. Surely no “Conservative” would capitulate to terrorism.
America is almost always damaged beyond recovery by Liberal Democrats. From Roosevelt’s “New Deal,” we became partly socialist. From Johnson’s “Great Society” we became even more socialist and anti-life. Under Jimmy Carter, we gave away the Panama Canal and became the laughing stock of the world, and damn near became a unilateralist (nuclear disarmament) nation. Because of Clinton, we became the target and victim of a terrorist attack, and involved in a war which had zero to do with American security, and where we still have troops on duty.
Now you, Mr. Self-Righteous “Conservative,” would for the sake of your ego and your own definition of who or what is “Conservative” and “correct” for this nation, would endanger our national security. The primary obligation of our President and our federal government is to “secure our nation against all enemies foreign and domestic”. You would willingly turn control of this nation to a bunch of Marxists and Stalinists simply because you are not getting your way.
Any person who would willingly see his nation endangered for the sake of his own “principles” is by my definition a coward and a traitor; and a selfish one at that.
The current crop of Democrats in Congress and running for the Presidency are the most extreme in history. They are Marxist/Stalinist in philosophy and temperament. They do not care about the Constitution or the Bill of Rights except as they may see fit to apply it. They do not believe in freedom, they believe in control. They do not believe in capitalism, they believe in the complete and equal redistribution of wealth. All of the Democrat Presidential hopefuls from John Edwards to Barrack Hussein Obama, to Hillary Rodham Clinton would be willing to destroy our nation simply to instate a socialist system of government, and none of them would hesitate to strip you or any other American of whatever rights the saw fit to limit to achieve that end.
Do you really think that a House led by Nancy Pelosi or a Senate led by Harry Reid would stand in their way, or do you believe it more likely that they would be sympathetic to that aim. Are you really so naïve as to believe that there is no difference between Rudy Giuliani or Mitt Romney, or even John McCain and Hillary Clinton.
Your entire rant is a paean to self. Your self-righteous arguments ring far more of the tone of the self-loving, know it all, emotionalism of a Liberal than they do of rational Conservatism. So I will ask you a question in return.
When did it become patriotic to allow “Life, Liberty, and Freedom (it’s actually the Pursuit of Happiness, by the way) to be jeopardized by a tyrant simply because you are not happy with the choices being offered by the Republican Party. Do you really care more about the faithfulness to your own ideals than about the welfare of the nation and its people? Are you really that selfish?
Even Rudy, with his highly questionable stance on our inherent right to keep and bear arms, his repugnant stance on abortion, and his openness to gay marriage, even he, at his Liberal worst, would never sell the country down the road to socialism and Marxism. Even if he turns out to be the nightmare you self-appointed “Guardians of the Right” assume he is, he is yet a long, long way from the alternative.
I find it personally repugnant that anyone would contemplate allowing, either by their action or by their inaction, our nation to suffer the long term damage such a capitulation to Democrats would cause.
You claim to be a conservative, I believe you are a juvenile, emotional thinker who, like James Dobson, Richard Viguerie, and Patrick J. Buchannan is more interested in his own agenda than in the good of the nation.
The philosophy you are espousing is the philosophy espoused by freedom’s greatest enemies, “The end justifies the means.” It is the philosophy that one is willing to see the total destruction, or near total destruction, of his nation and his fellow citizens simply so that next time, assuming there will be a next time, the people will have “learned their lesson” and will vote the way you want them to. It is granting to the
voting masses a level of awareness and concern that may not exist.
In a nation in which more than half the population believe that the Jon Stewart show is a hard news program, you are expecting a level of rationality which probably doesn’t exist.
Sometime, Mr. Quixote...err...Williams, the perfect really is the enemy of the good enough for now.
Interesting that you allow no comments on your webpage, no contrary views to be expressed. Is that the sign of a courageous conservative, or is it the sign a closed-minded, self-righteous, self-appointed know-it-all? Reminds me of a Liberal.
Will Malven
the houston conservative
The problem is, Ronald Reagan was a phenomenon of his time. As I stated above, even he could never reach the standards now being set by the self-appointed "Guardians of Truth." If there was a "Ronald Reagan in the offing, he would be making noise right now. We would not, in the Repbulican Party be desperately searching for him, he would already be here. Ronald Reagan was well known and respected in Conservative circles long before he stood for office. He gave the nominating speech for Barry Goldwater in 1964. He was governor of the most populous state in the nation for eight years.
If such a comparable Conservative icon exists right now, please someone point him out because I don't see him. I see lots of great Conservative politicians; men who impress me greatly, men like Jim Sessions and John Cornyn in the Senate; men like Dundan Hunter, Jeb Henserling, and John Culberson in the House, but I see no Ronald Reagans.
Ronald Reagan was a rarity, a man combining humor, compassion, vision, and strong Conservative ideals with an ability to reach out and touch the commonality we as American all feel.
I fear that until some one like him comes to the forefront, we may be faced, as we are today with choosing from a less than perfect lot. I am a Conservative. I will put my life-long Conservative advocacy and credentials up against those of any who care to challeng me, but I am not a fool, not will I betray the trust of my fellow citizens out of any sense of outrage at not being center-stage in the next Republican Convention. I will support the Republican Candidate whether it be Giuliani, Thompson, McCain, Romney, or perhaps Huckabee, not because he is a Republican, but because he is not the extreme Left-wing Stalinist/Marxist Democrat against whom he will be running.
I will support him because of what he is not, a threat to the freedoms and liberties of our nation. I will support him, whoever he is because he will not be, unlike our Democrat Party opponents, ignorant enough to repeatedly state that we live in a "Democracy" rather than a "Republic."
Long Live Our American Republic!!!









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The Following response was received from the author, JB. Williams
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"Any person who would willingly see his nation endangered for the sake of his own “principles” is by my definition a coward and a traitor; and a selfish one at that."
Anyone who thinks these principles,
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
...are mine, selfish or right-wing, is a fool, whose opinion shouldn't matter to anyone...
According to you, every founding father was a selfish right-wing religious nut intent upon destroying the America they created.... They established these principles, not me.
These are NOT "my" selfish notions. They are NOT Dr. Dobson's ideas or some crazy set of Evangelical Christian doctrines. They are the very principles we are all called to protect, preserve and uphold for future generation.
I didn't define what it is to be American, the founders did. I didn't even define what it is to be conservative, Webster's did, to protect, conserve and preserve.
I am defining what it is to be a real Republican. The Republican Party is America's "conservative" party. If it does not stand for the protection, conservation and preservation of wholly American principles, then it stands for nothing of any value.
I think that about covers your childish ill-informed little tirade...don't you?
Thanks for at least reading, even though your comprehension skills need a lot of work.
Good day sir.
JB Williams
JB_Williams@comcast.net
www.JB-Williams.com
J.B.
First, I suggest you learn a little history. The men who wrote those words were creating a nation, not attempting to destroy it.
Second who are you to say who does or does not believe in those words? I have not ever encountered a non-Liberal who would assert that those principles are held near and dear to Conservative Christians only. Do you truly believe that Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney and John McCain are against those principles. Are you and James Dobson the sole arbiters of what those words mean?
What we are saying is that slavish devotion to any principle without giving thought to what the ultimate outcome will be for others is selfish and foolish. Is that not precisely what the Marxists do? Is that no what our foes in the Global Islamic Jihad do?
There is always a balance to be achieved. As I stated before, the perfect is the enemy of the good enough. Do you really see no difference between Hillary and Rudy? Are you so blinded by your hatred that you cannot see the difference?
Again, as I have previously stated it will be you and those as stubborn who will doom you fellow citizens to suffer under the heels of an oppressive Socialist by your choice, should you choose to abstain or throw away your vote on a candidate who cannot win.
You obviously love your principles more than you do your nation or your fellow citizens if you are willing to do as you suggest.
You suggest no compromise, yet our founding fathers compromised again and again in the forging of our nation. Both Madison and Hamilton were against having a Bill of Rights, yet in the end they supported the final adoption. Are you saying that they were not men of principle?
Do you believe that Thomas Jefferson just sat down and penned the Declaration of Independence and it was adopted without any objection; without any changes?
Grow up!
William C. Malven
Mr. Williams then had the temerity to accuse me of not allowing comments with which I disagree:
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"Will Malven
the houston conservative
P.S. You will find a portion of your article, a link back to it, and my response to it on my webpage, where I do allow comments by my readers.
WCM"
Well, I've allowed plenty of time now Will.
It seems you allow responses to be posted to your site, except responses from those you wrongfully accuse. You have not posted my response on your site. Why? You want to post you temper tantrum, and accuse me of not allowing responders to communicate and then not post my response to your charges? How uniquely liberal... LOL
I note that there are no other comments on your site either. Are you the only reader/poster on your site?
JB Williams
JB_Williams@comcast.net
www.JB-Williams.com
"When the facts don't support your beliefs, find a new set of beliefs!"
Knowing it is pointless to attampt to reason with those who are self-worshipping (having had many such discussions, but usually with a Liberal, not a self-proclaimed "conservative") I will simply post my reply to his complaint with the added observation that reason is the basis from which Conservativism is spawned, not this emotionally driven, blind dedication to "principle."
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Talk about being unable to read…do you not see the section that says “comment” directly following my posting. I always allow comments without exception except where standards of language are violated.
Since you are so handicapped, I will post your e-mail for you.
Here is Mr. Williams response to my response, posted by me because he seems incapable of clicking the word "comments." My original arguments in bold, his responses in italic, and my response to his response in plain as I an disinclined to continue corresponding with this mulish slave to his beliefs.
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The men who wrote those words were creating a nation, not attempting to destroy it.
Yet those who seek to uphold, defend, protect, conserve and preserve these same ideals 230 years later, "they" are destroying the nation?
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"They" are destroying the nation if they choose to hand the 2008 election over to the Democrats by a) sitting out the election, or b) voting for a third party candidate. By either voting or not voting, you have made a choice. In this case, that choice is adverse to the good of the citizens of this Republic.
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Do you truly believe that Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney and John McCain are against those principles.
If one is "for" abortion, one is "against" an "unalienable right to Life."
If one is "for" gay marriage, one is "against" family values and traditional American moral foundations, which the founders warned that their form of self-governance could not withstand.
If one is "for" any form of socialism, arbitrary redistribution of wealth against the will of the governed, for benefit of an arbitrary greater communal good, one is "against" individual liberty and personal freedom.
All three candidates have come down on the wrong side of all three founding principles.
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I fear you have been drinking the kool-aid after hours again. Mitt Romney says he is against abortion. I don't recall having heard him say he supported gay marriage. In fact he fought against it.
None of the three has shown much if any tendency toward confiscatory taxation or redistribution of wealth, but let's drop the pretense here, your attack is mainly directed at Rudy Giuliani. Mr. Giuliani has a record of tax-cutting and fiscal responsibility. So in this you are demonstrably incorrect.
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Second who are you to say who does or does not believe in those words?
I didn't state what Giuliani, Romney or McCain believe in, they did. Besides, who cares who "believes" in these words? It only matters who believes in these words enough to take a stand in their defense. The founders did. Most American soldiers did and do. All conservatives do, though many RINOs don't, and no liberals do today.
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So what you are saying is that wnyone who doesn't toe the Dobsonian line is a RINO? Anyone who doesn't toe the Williams line by necessity is a Liberal or a RINO. People who don't think as you think are what maybe...UnAmerican?
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I have not ever encountered a non-Liberal who would assert that those principles are held near and dear to Conservative Christians only.
If you are asserting that only right-wing religious extremists support, uphold and defend these ideas by insisting upon a conservative candidate who upholds and defense these notions, then you are making that assertion.
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Ah, but I am anything but a Liberal. I am as Conservative as one can be...but I am also an intelligent Conservative...one who is willing to accept that which is by far the lesser of two evils. I see no one with the appeal of a Ronald Reagan stepping forward and as I said in my original commentary, Ronald Reagan would be able to pass your test of "conservatism." Therefore you have set yourself up as one of the arbiters of what is or is not acceptable for Republicans.
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Are you and James Dobson the sole arbiters of what those words mean?
And there's the assertion.... No, the founders who wrote them are. I suggest you do a little history study. Dobson nor I wrote, established or interpreted any of these words. The founders did.
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The founders wrote them, but you and Mr. Dobson are placing your own spin on what they mean. It is impossible to be otherwise, because words are always interpreted by one's mind. I have read the words of our founding fathers and their arguments in the Federalist and Anti-federalist papers. I have read Tom Paine and I know that his zeal for rebellion fell much closer in line with the sentiments as they were expressed in France. He would take issue with your declaration of "family values."
The founding fathers were men, not gods, and what they wrote, however close to perfection they believed them to be, they understood was not perfect. That is why they provided a means of changing what they wrote in the Constitution. Frankly I tend to agree with probably 99% of what you believe, it's only that I do not believe that the good of the nation can be achieved by turning ones back on your fellow citizens and forcing them to suffer the consequences of my abandonment of what I see as my duty. To choose, when necessary, the lesser of two evils.
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What we are saying is that slavish devotion to any principle without giving thought to what the ultimate outcome will be for others is selfish and foolish. Is that not precisely what the Marxists do? Is that no what our foes in the Global Islamic Jihad do?
What makes you think that there is no thought behind the desire to uphold and defend these principles? Have you taken no note of the visible consequences of not upholding these principles?
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Of course I have. Does that make it wrong to select the path or person which will do the least amount of damage to our nation until we can return to a saner (more conservative) majority? Have you not seen the consequences we are now experiencing because of this same tactic now being discussed being used in 2006?
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There is always a balance to be achieved. As I stated before, the perfect is the enemy of the good enough.
Reality is, anything only half right is also half wrong. Compromise is greatly over-rated as a substitute for right and wrong.
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So you agree with the Pharisees, it was against the Law of God and Moses to perform work on the Sabbath, so Jesus was wrong to heal on the Sabbath? No, I doubt you would say such a thing, but it is based on the same faulty logic that everything is black or white.
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Do you really see no difference between Hillary and Rudy?
First, contrary to your tirade, the column is not about me. I have never stated who I would or would not vote for. I reported on what I am hearing from the conservative base of the party. It's no secret, lots of folks are reporting on what they are telling you.
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Your words are betrayed by your arguments. You are arguing for the exact thing you are now denying you declared in your original article. I can only conclude that the purpose of writing the original article was to express your agreement with what the Dobsonians are arguing. Otherwise why write it at all?
Now you are saying that you don't agree with them? Not very convincing.
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The main difference between Hillary and Rudy is Hillary is also a criminal. On social issues, they are the same, which is to say, they both support liberal social policies, so they will both have to support the liberal social spending and growth of government that naturally follows liberal social policies. Both claim to be strong on national security. Both have supported open borders and illegal immigration and claimed to oppose both of these things from the campaign. Hillary voted for the war on terror every time there was a vote. Her voting record would be pro-national security on this basis, even though her campaign rhetoric is not.
But yes, I like Rudy much more than Hillary. But I like a real conservative much better than Rudy McRomney. The primary is the place to sort this out. Why aren't you angry with RINOs who have split the conservative party between conservatives and partial (issue) conservatives? Conservative want to unite their party behind conservative values. RINOs are trying to divide it up on an issue by issue basis??? Why aren't you angry about that?
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Oh I am laddy, I am. If you bothered to read what I have written You would know that, but again I am simply arguing that the actions of James Dobson and those like him are counter productive and will only damage the Republican Party and the Conservative cause, not strengthen it.
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Are you so blinded by your hatred that you cannot see the difference?
What hatred?
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Apparently none, as you stated above. I stand corrected and I apologize for that assumption.
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Again, as I have previously stated it will be you and those as stubborn who will doom you fellow citizens to suffer under the heels of an oppressive Socialist by your choice, should you choose to abstain or throw away your vote on a candidate who cannot win.
You can state this over and over if you like, until hell freezes over and it still won't be true.
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The reason I can state that over and over again is because it is true. In not making a choice, you have made your choice. It is only a matter of being man enough to take the responsibility for it.
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The FACT is very clear. Those who will only nominate liberal candidates, have guaranteed that only a liberal candidate can win, because no conservative candidate will be in the race. You want to debate how much liberal is too liberal, how much socialism is acceptable, how much murder is justifiable, which life's are worth defending and which ones aren't. Conservative are no longer willing to engage in that debate. They have already seen the results of that past compromise, beginning with more than 40 million dead innocent American citizens robbed of their "unalienable" right to Life...
Conservatives can not be accused of destroying their conservative party by standing up for conservative principles. Those within the party who are demanding liberal policies and liberal candidates are to blame for destroying the conservative party. Only a liberal could see it any other way.
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No one but a few have made such an assertion. When the time comes in Texas, I will cast my vote for a Conservative. A real genuine grade "A" prime Conservative, but I am also a pragmatist. With the Republican Party failing to live up to its traditional role of fiscal responsibility-both Conservatives and Liberal RINO's bear equal responsibility for that-I will still vote Republican when November of '08 rolls around.
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Conservatives believe that ONLY a conservative candidate can win in '08. You are free to disagree, but so are we.
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Personally, I wish you were right, but short of Huckabee, who I view as a borderline legitimate Conservative, I do not believe such a Conservative is running. To be sure Duncan Hunter is not the man. He has no fire, no charisma, and very little charm. Unfortunate but very necessary qualities in a candidate.
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Hillary will largely defeat herself. She just put Sandy 'Burglar" Berger back on the Clinton payroll. She will defeat herself, unless RINOs divide the conservative vote and open the door for her to win by popular minority, as her husband did in 1992 and 1996.
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Ah, but win he did, and this time, especially because of the "plague on both your houses Conservatives of 2006, if the election goes to the Congress, Hillary wins. So tell me, where besides conservative blogsites and FOX NEWS have you seen Sandy Berger's name mentioned? ABC? CBS? NBC? MSNBC? New York Times lead page perhaps? Washinton Post maybe? I don't think so. The Clinton machine is far to powerful for that litte fact to get much more than a momentary play. I hope you are correct sir, I hope she does self-destruct, but to this point, I have seen virtually no misteps in her efforts to become our first Marxist President.
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You obviously love your principles more than you do your nation or your fellow citizens if you are willing to do as you suggest.
My principles are my nations principles, not as defined by me, but as defined by the founders. Yes, I take the founders call to protect and defend these unalienable rights very seriously, as all conservatives do. RINOs (like liberals) think they are negotiable. Conservatives don't. It is these principles that make this piece of real estate America. It's these principles that determine who is and who isn't "American." And I didn't write or define any of them? I just accepted them, along with the responsibility to uphold and preserve them for future generations.
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Very well put, but with no "wiggle room" you will find yourself in a very lonely place. Being too rigid in ones belief is as bad as being too flexible in ones principles.
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You suggest no compromise, yet our founding fathers compromised again and again in the forging of our nation.
Yes, and when they were through compromising, they agreed on these words as the foundation for America... and America ratified these principles and set them in stone as "unalienable."
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Whoops! "There you go again." You are mixing two different documents there sport. The word "unalienable" is only found in the Declaration of Independence which is not recognized in law as having legal force.
The Constitution is the foundation of our laws. They were not "set in stone," They were made to be Amended when the people thought it necessary, and their interpretation arbited through the Supreme Court. That assertion was made by the court in in Marbury v. Madison-1803 and is one against which, as an originalist, I have argued. Unfortunately the world doesn't much care what I think about that case.
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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. (which requires the FREEDOM to do so)"
If need be, get out your circa 1776 dictionary and look up every word to see what they meant by what they wrote. This is the compromise language we are all supposed to uphold and defend. I am... what happened to you.
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Again I feel compelled to point out, the Constitution, not the Declaration is the foundation of our laws.
However, since you ask, I am right there with you.
Problem is that it seems sometimes that certain individuals would rather see this nation destroyed or nearly so simply to get their interpretation of the Constitution and those "unalienable" rights instituted.
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Both Madison and Hamilton were against having a Bill of Rights, yet in the end they supported the final adoption. Are you saying that they were not men of principle?
I'd prefer to say that they were men too open to compromise. Without the Bill of Right's, the constitution was a clear document with a clear intent to assign only certain limited and specific duties to a federal government and rights to carry them out. With the Bill of Rights, which wasn't really necessary, other than the Tenth Amendment, people often get confused as to what the entire document is. A regulation of government, or a regulation of the people? It was only an attempt to regulate (limit) government. The Bill of Rights confuses that truth. The Tenth Amendment says all that needs to be said in a so-called Bill of Rights. Read it...
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Again with the assumptions. I have read it, I have so written and argue that using the 2nd amendment to defend our inherrent right to keep and bear arms is a self-defeating argument. I as a human being need no permission from any government to "keep and bear arms." The right to property, the greatest right in the view of our founding fathers, implies in it a right to defend oneself and ones property.
However, you appear to be contradicting yourself, first the words of our founders are "cast in stone," and now Madison and Hamilton were in error to compromise? How interesting.
Madison as primary author not just of the Bill of Rights, but also of the Constitution established his bona fides as a founder...you on the other hand are no one to judge him in his choices. As I have said I would do, he made the choice which would preserve the union and save the Constitution. By implication of your words you would have allowed the Constitution to fall away into the abyss of history simply because you would refuse to compromise.
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Do you believe that Thomas Jefferson just sat down and penned the Declaration of Independence and it was adopted without any objection; without any changes?
It didn't take him very long to write it actually, considering that it is the founding document for the most prosperous and powerful nation on earth 230 years later.
You REALLY need to do more homework Will...
It's you who needs to grow up and accept your responsibility to help uphold and preserve the fundamental AMERICAN principles for future generation, instead of negotiating them away for silly political whims...
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I do not believe that protecting our nation from the evil that Hillary or for that matter any of the Democrat Presidential Candidates-in concert with a Democrat Controlled Congress-may do, is a silly political whim. I take it as a grave matter of utmost urgency. I am one who remains unconvinced that our nation could survive a Hillary Clinton Presidency. I believe she is, more than anyone else the gravest threat we face, and the most likely winner unless something happens to derail her. She is the juggernaut in this election.
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Post this on your site, in case anyone stumbles in to read our exchange... Unedited please, not cherry picked to suit your personal liberal agenda.
JB Williams
JB_Williams@comcast.net
www.JB-Williams.com
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Once more with the unfounded accusations of censorship and personal attack. I informed you in your last correspondence that I do not edit or limit comments unless they are abusive.
And again at least I allow comments...for those who are intelligent enough to figure out how to post them anyway.
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"When the facts don't support your beliefs, find a new set of beliefs!"
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See you at the polls, I hope, but probably in vain.
You are not my enemy. Hillary is my enemy. Only those views you expressed which are the views of one who would destroy his own nation rather than compromise have set me against you.
Taking one's toys and going home is not a viable strategy for the survival of our nation.
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