Eugene Robinson in Dire Need of Viet Nam History Lesson
Well, one can always count on Eugene Robinson and the Washington Post to purvey the tired old lies of the Left whether the topic is the war in Iraq or reviewing the war in Viet Nam.
Today's editorial is particularly noteworthy for its lack of veracity. Mr. Robinson's Neighborhood is a frightening mirage of twisting streams of lies and half-truths, poorly retold tales of Left-wing propaganda and pure unadulterated BS.
Here is this week's pile of manure from Mr. Robinson's Neighborhood:
Mr. Robinson goes on the state:
It was that very same bombing that within weeks brought the North Vietnamese to the bargaining table to talk peace. It was the bombing that provided the ability to begin the troop drawdown, and it was the failure on the part of Congress to live up to the promises they made to the Vietnamese people which led to the fall of Saigon, not some mythical action of Presidents Nixon or Ford.
I know this to be true because, unlike you, I have talked to some of those refugees from the "reeducation camps." I know that unlike what you would portray, the South Vietnamese Army was more than up to the task of continuing the fight. I know that the South Vietnamese Army was winning the war in South Vietnam...right up to the time when they began to run out of arms and equipment. They were winning the war right up to the time when the promised air support was withheld by the Democrat controlled Congress.
Had you at anytime bothered to talk to anyone outside your little ivory towered enclave of likeminded "journalists" and "intellectual;" had you bothered to deem those refugees worthy of your esteemed and all too valuable time, before you wrote this pile of Left-wing drivel, you would have heard the words that I will never forget. One of those survivors told me what it was like in those "reeducation camps." He also said one of the most heart-wrenching and nightmarish things I have ever heard:
That is the legacy of people like you Mr. Robinson. That is the legacy to which you would consign those in Iraq who daily fight to build their nation into a strong independent and free nation. The promises of "continued support" following our "redeployment" today's Democrats are making are as empty as those they made back in 1973. Democrats can no more tell the truth than can a Clinton in front of a Senate Investigatory Committee.
It is the naysayers and "intellectual giants" of the Left who in their "compassion" would consign those people, who dared to believe in freedom and democracy; who dared to trust Americans, to the muzzle of a terrorist's rifle or the edge of a terrorist's blade.
People like you and your beloved Noam Chomsky are the people on whose hands the blood will lie. You who today spout tomorrow's talking points of our enemies. It is you, not President Bush or Karl Rove, or Dick Cheney who will be responsible for the slaughter that will occur should America pull out of Iraq too soon.
In short, It is the congenitally retarded, intransigently dogmatic Liberals, who seem incapable of seeing anything good about America, who needs the history lesson.
Perhaps you should try reading something outside of the daily marching orders distributed by Media Matters and your own Left-wing propaganda organization. Perhaps you should try to expand your knowledge to the real world. Perhaps you should try speaking with some of those "boat-people" or some of those "reeducation camp" survivors...oh but I keep forgetting.
The compassion of Liberals is not for the common people, it is only for the ideologically sympathetic. Mr. Robinson's sympathies lie not with the victims of the Khmer Rouge or the Viet Cong or the North Vietnamese Army, but with those very oppressors themselves.
They can't be bothered about the masses. They are just there for the use of the state. What are a few million lives in the pursuit of a Communist paradise? Eh, Eugene?
So who care about Iraqis anyway, their just a bunch of Arabs anyway, what concern is it of ours if they are massacred by the millions simply to enable the Democrats to assume their rightful place as masters of this nation? For Liberals like Mr. Robinson, those people don't matter. People like Mr. Robinson don't care whether the Iraqi people live or die; they don't care if democracy wins over tyranny in Iraq, as long as they can control the White House and Congress.
There is a special place in Hell for Liberals like you Mr. Robinson, those who place their political ambitions above the lives of their fellow human beings.
Long Live Our American Republic!!!
Today's editorial is particularly noteworthy for its lack of veracity. Mr. Robinson's Neighborhood is a frightening mirage of twisting streams of lies and half-truths, poorly retold tales of Left-wing propaganda and pure unadulterated BS.
Here is this week's pile of manure from Mr. Robinson's Neighborhood:
Good Morning, Vietnam!Mr. Robinson then proceeds to spin a tale filled with the incredulity of a poser that anyone could seriously make such obviously false analogies. Problem is Mr. Robinson your simple regurgitation of accepted Liberal dogma doesn't make it any more factual today than it was back in 1973.
By Eugene Robinson
Tuesday, September 4, 2007; Page A17
The most fascinating aspect of George W. Bush's no-holds-barred campaign to keep Congress from meddling in his foolish and tragic war is the way he has begun invoking the Vietnam War -- not as a cautionary lesson about hubris and futility but as a reason to push ahead (whatever "ahead" might mean) in Iraq.
Say what you want about the man, but he's full of surprises -- and I'm not talking about the unannounced visit he made yesterday to Anbar province. With the pivotal report from Gen. David H. Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan C. Crocker due to land next week, and with the Iraqi government having made zero progress on political reconciliation, it's no surprise that the Decider would decide to be photographed touring the one part of Iraq where he can claim any measure of success.
Last month, Bush told the Veterans of Foreign Wars at its Kansas City convention that "one unmistakable legacy of Vietnam is that the price of America's withdrawal was paid by millions of innocent citizens whose agonies would add to our vocabulary new terms such as 'boat people,' 'reeducation camps' and 'killing fields.' "
He added: "Here at home, some can argue our withdrawal from Vietnam carried no price to American credibility -- but the terrorists see it differently."
Mr. Robinson goes on the state:
Karl Rove wrote an article in the conservative National Review last week that included this passage: "If the outcome [in Iraq] is like what happened in Vietnam after America abandoned our allies and the region descended into chaos, violence and danger, history's judgment will be harsh. History will see President Bush as right, and the opponents of his policy as mistaken -- as George McGovern was in his time."BUZZ! Wrong again Mr. Robinson. Your recollection of that time is a faulty as have been most of your anti-war, anti-Bush rants over the past years. The Khmer Rouge were Communists and their war was not sparked by the bombing of Cambodia, but by the sympathetic press who portrayed the Communists as sympathetic "freedom fighters" in opposition to an "Imperialistic America" and an "oppressive government." Oh, and it was Congress (allow me to rephrase that for your memory lapse) it was a Democrat controlled Congress who reneged on the promises made by President Nixon at the behest of that Democrat controlled Congress to support the South Vietnamese government and army with money, arms and combat support if necessary.
What?
For the record, the illegal U.S. bombing of Cambodia destabilized that country and boosted the Khmer Rouge, who eventually took power and exterminated those "millions" in the "killing fields." The monstrous Khmer Rouge regime was finally ousted by . . . none other than the communists who took power in Vietnam after the American withdrawal. Oh, and it was Richard Nixon who negotiated and began the U.S. pullout. Gerald Ford presided over the fall of Saigon. Both of them were Republicans, as I recall.
And George McGovern, who never got to be president, was right.
It was that very same bombing that within weeks brought the North Vietnamese to the bargaining table to talk peace. It was the bombing that provided the ability to begin the troop drawdown, and it was the failure on the part of Congress to live up to the promises they made to the Vietnamese people which led to the fall of Saigon, not some mythical action of Presidents Nixon or Ford.
I know this to be true because, unlike you, I have talked to some of those refugees from the "reeducation camps." I know that unlike what you would portray, the South Vietnamese Army was more than up to the task of continuing the fight. I know that the South Vietnamese Army was winning the war in South Vietnam...right up to the time when they began to run out of arms and equipment. They were winning the war right up to the time when the promised air support was withheld by the Democrat controlled Congress.
Had you at anytime bothered to talk to anyone outside your little ivory towered enclave of likeminded "journalists" and "intellectual;" had you bothered to deem those refugees worthy of your esteemed and all too valuable time, before you wrote this pile of Left-wing drivel, you would have heard the words that I will never forget. One of those survivors told me what it was like in those "reeducation camps." He also said one of the most heart-wrenching and nightmarish things I have ever heard:
"We have the will, we have the ability, we had not enough guns-we have no bullets.""We have no bullets."
That is the legacy of people like you Mr. Robinson. That is the legacy to which you would consign those in Iraq who daily fight to build their nation into a strong independent and free nation. The promises of "continued support" following our "redeployment" today's Democrats are making are as empty as those they made back in 1973. Democrats can no more tell the truth than can a Clinton in front of a Senate Investigatory Committee.
It is the naysayers and "intellectual giants" of the Left who in their "compassion" would consign those people, who dared to believe in freedom and democracy; who dared to trust Americans, to the muzzle of a terrorist's rifle or the edge of a terrorist's blade.
People like you and your beloved Noam Chomsky are the people on whose hands the blood will lie. You who today spout tomorrow's talking points of our enemies. It is you, not President Bush or Karl Rove, or Dick Cheney who will be responsible for the slaughter that will occur should America pull out of Iraq too soon.
In short, It is the congenitally retarded, intransigently dogmatic Liberals, who seem incapable of seeing anything good about America, who needs the history lesson.
Perhaps you should try reading something outside of the daily marching orders distributed by Media Matters and your own Left-wing propaganda organization. Perhaps you should try to expand your knowledge to the real world. Perhaps you should try speaking with some of those "boat-people" or some of those "reeducation camp" survivors...oh but I keep forgetting.
The compassion of Liberals is not for the common people, it is only for the ideologically sympathetic. Mr. Robinson's sympathies lie not with the victims of the Khmer Rouge or the Viet Cong or the North Vietnamese Army, but with those very oppressors themselves.
They can't be bothered about the masses. They are just there for the use of the state. What are a few million lives in the pursuit of a Communist paradise? Eh, Eugene?
So who care about Iraqis anyway, their just a bunch of Arabs anyway, what concern is it of ours if they are massacred by the millions simply to enable the Democrats to assume their rightful place as masters of this nation? For Liberals like Mr. Robinson, those people don't matter. People like Mr. Robinson don't care whether the Iraqi people live or die; they don't care if democracy wins over tyranny in Iraq, as long as they can control the White House and Congress.
There is a special place in Hell for Liberals like you Mr. Robinson, those who place their political ambitions above the lives of their fellow human beings.
Long Live Our American Republic!!!
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posted by Will Malven at 9:19 AM
3 Comments:
I suppose I'm a liberal, because I disagree. War should be based on tactical decisions, not ideological ones. Vietnam and the current war will stand throughout history as poor decisions.
And I don't need a history lesson. Neither does Robinson, though it must be satisfying for you to say so.
You can't change the facts through sheer gung-ho America First rhetoric. This is not the world you want it to be.
Unless I just fell for a prank. Are you pulling a "Borat" on your readers?
I suppose you are a Liberal if you believe the crap that Robinson is purveying.
The Vietnam war was decided on an ideological basis, not on tactical ones. America was not losing and could not have lost that war militarily, no more than we can lose the current war by military power. Can't be done, noway, no how.
Thus, the only way a war like Vietnam or Iraq can be lost is for Americans to quit, give up, surrender, abandon them, i.e. in Democratese, "redeploy rearward."
Looks like you are badly in need of a history lesson. The fact is that we didn't lose the Viet Nam war. We (meaning the Democrat Congress) simply failed to live up to the promises they made to the people of South Viet Nam, when the treaty was signed.
We pledged to give them continued monitary and weaponry support. The South Vietnamese Army (ARVN) were winning the war. The NVA regulars were making no progress against them, even though we left Nam with 100,000 NVA remaining encamped in the South (also in violation of the agreement).
Viet Nam was lost when the ARVN troops were no longer capable of combat...because they ran out of arms...because your beloved Democrats cut off their funding.
I notice, in typical Liberal fashion, you offer no argument to support your claims, merely parrot old propaganda claims from the Democrat talking points. You offer no rebuttal of my facts; no refutation of the statements made by my friends from South Viet Nam, only your arrogant insistance that you (and that hack Robinson) is right.
If you wish at least to appear intelligent, you have to provide some evidence of the fact. You have provided our audience none.
Them's the facts sport, and no amount of the Liberal Democrat dogma and twisted history you're parrotting can change them. You probably still believe that Walter Cronkite was telling the truth that we lost the Tet offensive.
If you weren't so sadly uninformed and ill-equipped for your stand, you'd be laughable, but instead you are to be pitied. Just another sucker who bought the Left-wings propaganda.
...unless, of course, you are pulling a Borat for the amusement of other Conservatives.
Oh pooh. You just enjoy being angry and shouting slogans. It makes things easier.
You make a lot of assumptions because I said "liberal." That I am fond of the democrats, that I follow "liberal dogma," that my parents and grandparents were not in Vietnam at the time, that I have not grown up hearing about it every other damn day of my life.
That's a lot of generalization. And yet your knowledge of the Vietnam situation as it stood is quite good. There are no generalizations there. You seem to be saying that the situation was more complex than we're being led to believe.
That idea works for your country as well. You have an interesting blog. You should apply your keen perceptions to your own country and party.
And try not to be so angry. The problem with conservatism as it stands is that the rest of us feel you want us all dead. You haven't been the underdog for decades. Nobody is trying to keep you down.
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