McCain's Ludicrous, Self-serving, Stupid, Argument
Senators Defy Bush On Terror MeasureIdiots! Lindsey Graham and John Warner should be ashamed of themselves for being so gullible or naïve or just plain stupid. John McCain should know better; or perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps John McCain was not tortured by his captors. Perhaps the Hanoi Hilton really was a Hilton Hotel and he had room service and fresh linens everyday. Apparently McCains arm wasn't the only thing the North Vietnamese broke. Apparently his mind was also broken by their gentle Geneva Convention POW treatment. Oh, wait a minute, the North Vietnamese didn't treat their prisoners in accordance with the Geneva Convention. They didn't care how we were treating their soldier in captivity (which was in compliance with the accords).
Panel Backs Rival Bill On Interrogations
By Charles Babington and Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, September 15, 2006; Page A01
A Senate committee rebuffed the personal entreaties of President Bush yesterday, rejecting his proposed strategies for interrogating and trying enemy combatants and approving alternative legislation that he has strenuously opposed.
The bipartisan vote sets up a legislative showdown on an issue that GOP strategists had hoped would unite their party and serve as a cudgel against Democrats in the Nov. 7 elections. Instead, Bush and congressional Republican leaders are at loggerheads with a dissident group led by Sen. John McCain (R), who says the president's approach would jeopardize the safety of U.S. troops and intelligence operatives.
Despite heavy lobbying by Bush, who visited the Capitol yesterday, and Vice President Cheney, who was there Tuesday, McCain and his allies held fast. Even former secretary of state Colin L. Powell weighed in on McCain's side.
Moments after the Armed Services Committee voted 15 to 9 to endorse McCain's alternative bill, the Arizona senator lashed out at CIA Director Michael V. Hayden, who had also lobbied lawmakers personally.
Hey John, the people with whom we are fighting right now don't care either. In what way does beheading with a knife comply with the Geneva Conventions? How does mutilating our soldiers dead bodies comply with you sense of propriety. Can you, Warner and Graham possibly be more absurd?
These RINO Republicans live in a fantasy world. They are delusional if they believe that at any time in history, American troops have been treated in accordance with the Geneva Conventions. Please tell me who. The Japanese? The Germans? The Koreans? The Vietnamese? The Iranians? The terrorists? To whom are you addressing this ill-conceived, poorly thought out bill?
You are more pitiful than your Democrat allies because you should at least be logical enough to see through this Democrat ploy.
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posted by Will Malven at 7:54 AM
6 Comments:
Will -- you miss the point. the point is not that our enemies violate Geneva-Hague. Of course they do. Indeed, throughout our history our enemies often have done so -- Japanese brutality in WWII, etc. But, we have always been strong enough to take the high ground even when our enemy was not. And that has benefited us in the end. I believe we are still a strong enough country to afford to continue to take the high ground.
john
John,
You miss the point. What does "inhumane" treatment mean? What is cruel treatment?
Torture has a very specific connotation historically and things like waterboarding, and sleep deprivation are not torture.
Secondly, why should we handicap ourselves in fighting this new kind of war? This is not a conventional war. This enemy is not worthy of "decent treatment" they routinely and deliberately kill women and children simply to create fear in the populous.
hmmm, can you cite me some support for your assertion that "things like waterboarding and sleep deprivation are not torture"? Or is that just your opinion? Would you want it to be legal for our soldiers to be subjected to these methods of interrogation when captured? Frankly, I think clarification of the rules would be great. Even the administration's proposal does not specifically state that these methods (or any particular methods) are legal. Why not?
As to your second point, I agree the "enemy" is not worthy of decent treatment. Hard part is identifying who the "enemy" (terrorists) are. But even if we could with certainty, it would still do our national interests more harm than good to ignore the longstanding law of war we have always honored.
You are sliding down a very slippery slope. If we can use these methods against alleged terrorists, why not against US citizens accused of despicable crimes? why not everyone accused of crimes.
Guess what John,
Our troops are subjected to waterboarding during training as well as sleep deprivation.
You still haven't defined the terms that Idiot McCain want to enact as law. I repeat, what is inhumane treatment? What is cruel treatment?
Do you want to include such ambiguous terms in the law so that at a later date some legal authority can define them as he sees fit? Do you not see the extreme risk in sending our people out to interogate enemy prisoners under such circumstances?
Perhaps President Bush is correct, we just won't interrogate anyone. The next terrorist attacks can be laid at the feet of John McCain and those who support him.
I agree with you that defining what is and is not permitted would be good. I don't think either side is doing that. No one has said what is prohibited and what isn't. but, maybe it would be dangerous to do so as terrorists would then know exactly what to expect.
The fact is that Bush is doing what McCain wishes he could do, protect the country. John McCain's endless rants on what "he would do" is meaningless. If he had the power, he would misuse it, just like John Kerry. Since deep in his black heart he knows this, he can actually criticize George Bush with some passion. John McCain is an enemy of conservatives - always has been. To this day I do not understand why he is a republican.
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