Cheney's Right: Boil These Animals in Oil
Cheney Plan Exempts CIA From Bill Barring Abuse of Detainees
By R. Jeffrey Smith and Josh White
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, October 25, 2005; Page A01
The Bush administration has proposed exempting employees of the Central Intelligence Agency from a legislative measure endorsed earlier this month by 90 members of the Senate that would bar cruel and degrading treatment of any prisoners in U.S. custody.
The proposal, which two sources said Vice President Cheney handed last Thursday to Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in the company of CIA Director Porter J. Goss, states that the measure barring inhumane treatment shall not apply to counterterrorism operations conducted abroad or to operations conducted by "an element of the United States government" other than the Defense Department.
Although most detainees in U.S. custody in the war on terrorism are held by the U.S. military, the CIA is said by former intelligence officials and others to be holding several dozen detainees of particular intelligence interest at locations overseas -- including senior al Qaeda figures Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Abu Zubaida.
Cheney's proposal is drafted in such a way that the exemption from the rule barring ill treatment could require a presidential finding that "such operations are vital to the protection of the United States or its citizens from terrorist attack." But the precise applicability of this section is not clear, and none of those involved in last week's discussions would discuss it openly yesterday.
McCain, the principal sponsor of the legislation, rejected the proposed exemption at the meeting with Cheney, according to a government source who spoke without authorization and on the condition of anonymity. McCain spokeswoman Eileen McMenamin declined to comment. But the exemption has been assailed by human rights experts critical of the administration's handling of detainees in Iraq and Afghanistan.
"This is the first time they've said explicitly that the intelligence community should be allowed to treat prisoners inhumanely," said Tom Malinowski, the Washington advocacy director for Human Rights Watch. "In the past, they've only said that the law does not forbid inhumane treatment." Now, he said, the administration is saying more concretely that it cannot be forbidden.
The provision in question -- which the Senate on Oct. 5 voted 90 to 9 to attach to its version of the pending defense appropriations bill over the administration's opposition -- essentially proscribes harsh treatment of any detainees in U.S. custody or control anywhere in the world. It was specifically drafted to close what its backers say is a loophole in the administration's policy of generally barring torture, namely its legal contention that these constraints do not apply to treatment of foreigners on foreign soil.
The House version of the appropriations bill contains no similar provision on detainee treatment, and lawmakers are to meet later this week to begin reconciling the conflict.
Cheney's meeting with McCain last week was his third attempt to persuade the lawmaker, a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, to accept a less broad legislative bar against inhumane treatment. Cheney spokeswoman Lea Anne McBride declined to comment, saying, "the vice president does not discuss private conversations that he has with members [of Congress] . . . or information that may be exchanged with members."
She added that the intent of such meetings is usually "to build consensus on legislative issues, still in the policymaking process." CIA spokeswoman Jennifer Millerwise Dyck, a former Cheney aide, said the agency does not comment on the director's meetings.
Other sources said the vice president is also still fighting a second provision of the Senate-passed legislation, which requires that detainees in Defense Department custody anywhere in the world may be subjected only to interrogation techniques approved and listed in the Army's Field Manual.
This concept is absurd. We are not fighting a normal enemy here. These people have no compunction about using the most heinous forms of treatment of Americans they have in custody. It does not matter to them if we put their people up in the Waldorf Astoria, they are still going to brutalize and murder the Americans. They only see our good treatment of their people as a sign of our weakness. McCain needs to shut up and go home. He is a fool and an embarrassment to America. He served America and for that I thank him, but it does not entitle him to behave like an ass.
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3 Comments:
If the bill exemption for the CIA goes through, will it still be possible for the American people to plead innocence by claiming that they didn't know what was going on?
President Bush has vowed to veto the $450 Billion Defense Appropriations Bill if Congress has the audacity to pass John McCain's Amendment clarifying standards for treatment of prisoners. In fact, the U.S. already has the standards of the Geneva Convention and its own laws regarding treatment of prisoners in America which the Bush administration, especially Donald Rumsfeld, refuses to follow. McCain's bill and its language is really an attempt to make it more difficult for the administration to get away with breaking its own laws and international law.
Inhumane treatment, torture, and murder of prisoners who aren't even convicted of anything is what Bush's team is specifically fighting to preserve. Worse than simply torturing prisoners captured in Afghanistan and Iraq, the U.S. has been employing specifically anti-Islamic and anti-Muslim humiliation, the only possible result being to enrage the billion Muslims throughout the world, spreading American hatred and building terrorism to new hights. Up to this point, the U.S.-sanctioned torture of prisoners at Guantanamo has educed nothing but stories made up by prisoners in order to escape further torture.
The positon of the Bush administration and republicans who oppose the McCain Amendment is un-American and immoral to the utmost degree. Hypocritically, it is many of the right-wing "Christian" conservatives who oppose the bill. Any moralistic spin on their position or argument for hurting a few for the protection of all is utterly lacking in integrity and profoundly depraved.
John McCain is a fool? Needs to shut up and go home? I'm sure you have the experience and intimate knowledge of the inside of a POW camp that John McCain has which entitles you to that sentiment, don't you? Oh, you DON'T? Right.
John McCain has EVERY right in the worlds to express his steadfast opposition to torture of prisoners - as he was a tortured prisoner himself, you fool! "He served his coutry and for that I thank him"? No, hi didn't just serve his country, the man spent nearly 5 years in a Vietnamese POW camp. You need to be reminded of this apparently, since you tell him he needs to shut up and go home. Because, putting your logic to it, maybe we should allow torture in some cases. And maybe we should allow the freedom of speech to be restrained in some situations - like when a moron tells a HERO such as John McCain to shut up and go home. That moron should have his license to speak in any forum completely revoked.
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